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		<title>by: Marco - Stock Trading</title>
		<link>http://www.tradingwinner.com/archive/2006/05/24/how-i-started-trading-part-2/#comment-95</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"Selling my first shares was very exciting for me. My hard work had paid off - handsomely. I had reached another personal goal. I successfully used my money to make more money."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most successful traders that have been in the game for the long term attest to the fact that trading is never exciting as you say. It shouldn't be. 

Trading is simply the rather boring execution of a trading plan. 

From my own experience I can say that it is true - I made the biggest trading mistakes when I become overexcited or have any emotional connection with a position. I found that my best and easy trades have come from the rather boring process of following a plan.

I think that if you do connect emotions of excitement with trading, then you are treating &lt;a href="http://www.mysharetrading.com/2006/05/02/is-share-trading-gambling.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;trading as gambling&lt;/a&gt; (although I'm still on the fence on that issue of trading being gambling).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Selling my first shares was very exciting for me. My hard work had paid off - handsomely. I had reached another personal goal. I successfully used my money to make more money.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Most successful traders that have been in the game for the long term attest to the fact that trading is never exciting as you say. It shouldn&#8217;t be. </p>
<p>Trading is simply the rather boring execution of a trading plan. </p>
<p>From my own experience I can say that it is true - I made the biggest trading mistakes when I become overexcited or have any emotional connection with a position. I found that my best and easy trades have come from the rather boring process of following a plan.</p>
<p>I think that if you do connect emotions of excitement with trading, then you are treating <a href="http://www.mysharetrading.com/2006/05/02/is-share-trading-gambling.htm" rel="nofollow">trading as gambling</a> (although I&#8217;m still on the fence on that issue of trading being gambling).
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		<title>by: PW</title>
		<link>http://www.tradingwinner.com/archive/2006/05/24/how-i-started-trading-part-2/#comment-66</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks enhansed!

I really enjoyed reading your reply to my question.
Bruce Lee's quote is awesome =)
I wrote that down so that I can refer to it someday in the future.

Do you know where I can find "transaction records" that
Mr. Buffett and Mr. Lynch traded in the past?
I thought it would be one of good ways to learn from the masters
by using their transaction records with historical market data/news to understand why they made such decisions.

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Information to share with you:
[ Technical Analysis Softwares ]
- http://amibroker.com/ 
- http://www.rightedgesystems.com/ 
- http://www.smartquant.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks enhansed!</p>
<p>I really enjoyed reading your reply to my question.<br />
Bruce Lee&#8217;s quote is awesome =)<br />
I wrote that down so that I can refer to it someday in the future.</p>
<p>Do you know where I can find &#8220;transaction records&#8221; that<br />
Mr. Buffett and Mr. Lynch traded in the past?<br />
I thought it would be one of good ways to learn from the masters<br />
by using their transaction records with historical market data/news to understand why they made such decisions.</p>
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<p>Information to share with you:<br />
[ Technical Analysis Softwares ]<br />
- <a href="http://amibroker.com/" rel="nofollow">http://amibroker.com/</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.rightedgesystems.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rightedgesystems.com/</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.smartquant.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.smartquant.com/</a>
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		<title>by: Nicholas Kuechler &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How I Started Trading Stocks - Part 2</title>
		<link>http://www.tradingwinner.com/archive/2006/05/24/how-i-started-trading-part-2/#comment-54</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 09:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] For those interested in stock market trading and investing, I have written part two of a series detailing how I started trading stocks. The article is How I Started Trading - Part 2. This article can be found at my stock market trading blog: Trading Winner. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] For those interested in stock market trading and investing, I have written part two of a series detailing how I started trading stocks. The article is How I Started Trading - Part 2. This article can be found at my stock market trading blog: Trading Winner. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: enhanced</title>
		<link>http://www.tradingwinner.com/archive/2006/05/24/how-i-started-trading-part-2/#comment-53</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 May 2006 07:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi PW,

Thanks for the kind words. :)

The one thing I did not do when I started trading was "dive right in".  I studied a lot, researched a lot, and most importantly I saved a lot.

I'm working on a list of all the business and stock market books I have read with a short review and my opinion of each one.  This will likely have it's own category.. something like "Book Reports" we all had to do in school.

During the past few months I have had to work the second shift at my day job, which unfortunately does not leave me much time to actively trade and watch the markets - which is necessary for successful trading.  I have still been doing a lot of research and reading a lot of news, but I have not been actively trading.  I have actually been doing more investing, particularly in ETFs.  I'm working on an ETF article right now which should be up soon for those unfamiliar with ETFs and how they work.  Also you can check my Investing Winner blog at http://www.InvestingWinner.com to read about my investing activities.

Since I'm not currently able to trade the way I feel I need to, my trading portfolio has pretty much gone sideways - no substantial gains or losses.  My investing portfolio has taken a recent hit due to the market correction and is currently down about 3%, but I expect this to fully recover and have a very strong finish to the year.  I'm going to be holding the stocks in my investing portfolio for at least 1 year and most likely a few years.  And, after you hold 1 year the capital gains taxes are nearly cut in half. :)

The stock market is always risky.  I never think the stock market becomes a "non-risky" place to make money.  However, there are strategies you can use to reduce your risk, such as setting stop loss orders, risk management techniques, diversifying (I do NOT believe in greatly diversifying in a large number of stocks, but a small number of stocks in diverse sectors is a plus, especially in investing).

Education and experience help immensely in reducing your risk, but does not make the market a "non-risky" place for your money.  I feel education is more important than risk.  You can teach yourself every aspect of the market and know what to expect in certain situations or how the market may react to certain events.  Experience helps in dealing with losses and doing research or Due Diligence.  Experience can also help you make the most of earnings seasons (coupled with good research!).

People like Warren Buffet or Peter Lynch are very unique individuals.  I don't think it's realistic for us to "become" the next Warren Buffet.  But, we can learn from his example, from his books, from his investments.  I do not believe I am the next Warren Buffet.  That being said, we all need to try our hardest to beat the markets as Warren Buffet has done, but this comes back to doing a lot of research (Due Diligence), reading a lot of news, using strong strategies (such as risk management or valuing stocks), and strengthening ourselves psychologically or mentally.  There's money to be made in bull and bear markets, but the strategies are not the same.  For example in a bear market you can short stocks if your are mentally up to the challege.  "Know when to hold 'em.  Know when to fold 'em."

I've written a previous article about how I do not necessarily believe in luck, especially when it comes to the stock market and similar things like casino games.  The stock market comes down to probabilities and numbers, not luck, in my opinion.  I think people that have developed a single strategy are the ones that may do well in the markets for a while, then their strategy no longer applies and their portfolio takes a huge hit.  My opinion is that our trading and investing strategies must constantly change and develop.  The market is never the same each day - it changes every day.  As such, our trading and investing strategies must also change as the market changes.  There are some core principles that can help us define our strategies, but using a single set strategy is not the answer for long term success.

Bruce Lee has a great quote regarding his martial arts style or strategy.  His style is like water, able to meet any opponents style because it's constantly changing and evolving.  Think about water for a minute.  When water is in a cup, the water forms the shape of a cup.  When water is in a bowl, the water forms the shape of a bowl.  Water can form around any container.  Bruce Lee's martial arts style has no limitations, no strict rules, - forming and changing as necessary.

Here's his quote:

"Don't get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. Adapt!" - Bruce Lee, on martial arts styles (or systems) and strategy

I hope this long explanation helps you or someone else.  These are just my thoughts and opinions.  Obviously I'm not a super investor or trader, just doing what I can to succeed and (hopefully) beat the market. :)

Thanks again for the kind words, I really do appreciate it.  Comments such as yours help me to grow as a trader / investor and I hope I am helping you, too.  One way we can educate ourselves and learn is by discussing ideas and thoughts with others.  By asking questions and providing answers.  Communication.

Best Regards,
Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PW,</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words. <img src='http://www.tradingwinner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The one thing I did not do when I started trading was &#8220;dive right in&#8221;.  I studied a lot, researched a lot, and most importantly I saved a lot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a list of all the business and stock market books I have read with a short review and my opinion of each one.  This will likely have it&#8217;s own category.. something like &#8220;Book Reports&#8221; we all had to do in school.</p>
<p>During the past few months I have had to work the second shift at my day job, which unfortunately does not leave me much time to actively trade and watch the markets - which is necessary for successful trading.  I have still been doing a lot of research and reading a lot of news, but I have not been actively trading.  I have actually been doing more investing, particularly in ETFs.  I&#8217;m working on an ETF article right now which should be up soon for those unfamiliar with ETFs and how they work.  Also you can check my Investing Winner blog at <a href="http://www.InvestingWinner.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.InvestingWinner.com</a> to read about my investing activities.</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m not currently able to trade the way I feel I need to, my trading portfolio has pretty much gone sideways - no substantial gains or losses.  My investing portfolio has taken a recent hit due to the market correction and is currently down about 3%, but I expect this to fully recover and have a very strong finish to the year.  I&#8217;m going to be holding the stocks in my investing portfolio for at least 1 year and most likely a few years.  And, after you hold 1 year the capital gains taxes are nearly cut in half. <img src='http://www.tradingwinner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The stock market is always risky.  I never think the stock market becomes a &#8220;non-risky&#8221; place to make money.  However, there are strategies you can use to reduce your risk, such as setting stop loss orders, risk management techniques, diversifying (I do NOT believe in greatly diversifying in a large number of stocks, but a small number of stocks in diverse sectors is a plus, especially in investing).</p>
<p>Education and experience help immensely in reducing your risk, but does not make the market a &#8220;non-risky&#8221; place for your money.  I feel education is more important than risk.  You can teach yourself every aspect of the market and know what to expect in certain situations or how the market may react to certain events.  Experience helps in dealing with losses and doing research or Due Diligence.  Experience can also help you make the most of earnings seasons (coupled with good research!).</p>
<p>People like Warren Buffet or Peter Lynch are very unique individuals.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s realistic for us to &#8220;become&#8221; the next Warren Buffet.  But, we can learn from his example, from his books, from his investments.  I do not believe I am the next Warren Buffet.  That being said, we all need to try our hardest to beat the markets as Warren Buffet has done, but this comes back to doing a lot of research (Due Diligence), reading a lot of news, using strong strategies (such as risk management or valuing stocks), and strengthening ourselves psychologically or mentally.  There&#8217;s money to be made in bull and bear markets, but the strategies are not the same.  For example in a bear market you can short stocks if your are mentally up to the challege.  &#8220;Know when to hold &#8216;em.  Know when to fold &#8216;em.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written a previous article about how I do not necessarily believe in luck, especially when it comes to the stock market and similar things like casino games.  The stock market comes down to probabilities and numbers, not luck, in my opinion.  I think people that have developed a single strategy are the ones that may do well in the markets for a while, then their strategy no longer applies and their portfolio takes a huge hit.  My opinion is that our trading and investing strategies must constantly change and develop.  The market is never the same each day - it changes every day.  As such, our trading and investing strategies must also change as the market changes.  There are some core principles that can help us define our strategies, but using a single set strategy is not the answer for long term success.</p>
<p>Bruce Lee has a great quote regarding his martial arts style or strategy.  His style is like water, able to meet any opponents style because it&#8217;s constantly changing and evolving.  Think about water for a minute.  When water is in a cup, the water forms the shape of a cup.  When water is in a bowl, the water forms the shape of a bowl.  Water can form around any container.  Bruce Lee&#8217;s martial arts style has no limitations, no strict rules, - forming and changing as necessary.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s his quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water. Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend. Adapt!&#8221; - Bruce Lee, on martial arts styles (or systems) and strategy</p>
<p>I hope this long explanation helps you or someone else.  These are just my thoughts and opinions.  Obviously I&#8217;m not a super investor or trader, just doing what I can to succeed and (hopefully) beat the market. <img src='http://www.tradingwinner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks again for the kind words, I really do appreciate it.  Comments such as yours help me to grow as a trader / investor and I hope I am helping you, too.  One way we can educate ourselves and learn is by discussing ideas and thoughts with others.  By asking questions and providing answers.  Communication.</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Nick
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		<title>by: PW</title>
		<link>http://www.tradingwinner.com/archive/2006/05/24/how-i-started-trading-part-2/#comment-52</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 03:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post, great reading!

Your story is quite interesting and it makes me feel that I want to start trading and investing right now.
But I will study, read many books, and paper-trade first until I get confident about my investment decisions.
( Well, it's a long way to go....... )

I learned that you spent lots, lots, lots of time for studying "economics, accounting, finance, entrepreneur studies, mathematics, statistics, marketing, sociology, banking, trading, investing, and every other related topics."
I'm just curious, how's your performance now?

Do you think "stock market" becomes "non-risky" place to make money consistently when an investeor is thoroughly educated, experienced, and talented?
( In other words, is it possible for someone becomes "post Warren Buffett" or "post Peter Lynch" at any time of market, even in bear market? ) .. OR.. are you the one? :)

I know lots of bright and smart people challenged the market over a long history with many different strategies but not everyone was successful. I wonder if Peter Lynch and Warren Buffett were the "luckiest" or the "smartest" investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, great reading!</p>
<p>Your story is quite interesting and it makes me feel that I want to start trading and investing right now.<br />
But I will study, read many books, and paper-trade first until I get confident about my investment decisions.<br />
( Well, it&#8217;s a long way to go&#8230;&#8230;. )</p>
<p>I learned that you spent lots, lots, lots of time for studying &#8220;economics, accounting, finance, entrepreneur studies, mathematics, statistics, marketing, sociology, banking, trading, investing, and every other related topics.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m just curious, how&#8217;s your performance now?</p>
<p>Do you think &#8220;stock market&#8221; becomes &#8220;non-risky&#8221; place to make money consistently when an investeor is thoroughly educated, experienced, and talented?<br />
( In other words, is it possible for someone becomes &#8220;post Warren Buffett&#8221; or &#8220;post Peter Lynch&#8221; at any time of market, even in bear market? ) .. OR.. are you the one? <img src='http://www.tradingwinner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I know lots of bright and smart people challenged the market over a long history with many different strategies but not everyone was successful. I wonder if Peter Lynch and Warren Buffett were the &#8220;luckiest&#8221; or the &#8220;smartest&#8221; investors.
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